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Bronze Guides in Cast Iron Cylinder Heads.

Back in the early days of my business I had a very unhappy customer and, to make matters worse, the customer was a lawyer, not a good combination. Our lawyer friend brought me an MGB with its engine, in boxes, with a whole bunch of new parts and asked me to reassemble it and put it into his car. He had had various parts of the engine rebuilt including the carburetors and the cylinder head, which sported brand new bronze valve guides but had decided that he lacked the time, or skills to complete the job himself. After negotiating a price for the job and using his parts, I reassembled the engine and put it into the car. It ran well and he was very happy when he picked the car up on a Friday night with a view of driving it about 180 miles directly up to his cottage.  I was more than a little surprised upon my arrival at work the following Monday morning to find the car dropped in the driveway of the shop with a note written in a distinctly cool tone on the driver’s seat and a very seized engine. It turns out that there is a bit of a hill on the highway route to his cottage and seconds after cresting this hill there was a loud bang from his newly rebuilt engine, followed immediately by a squealing of tires as that engine seized and the rear wheels locked up. It must indeed have been a little frightening in the heavy cottage traffic and I could appreciate the reason for the man’s ire.
Various lawyers letters flowed back and forth all of which culminated in a small claims court claim being filed. I disassembled the engine and found that #3 exhaust valve had gone through the top of the piston and caused unimaginable indignities to the rest of the engine. I studied that engine in intense detail before I figured out the sequence of events which resulted in its failure.

Many after market suppliers extol the virtues of the bronze or silicone bronze valve guides that they sell and, although these may wear marginally more slowly than cast iron valve guides, it is my belief that bronze of any type is not an ideal material to use for exhaust valve guides in cast iron heads.

This is a simplified cross section of a guide installed into a cylinder head.

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Valve guides are normally a press fit into the cylinder head, that is to say that the guide is very slightly larger than the hole in the head into which it is pressed. The interference, i.e. the difference in diameters, is usually one or two thousandths of an inch. This tight fit is sufficient to keep the guide securely located in its correct position in the cylinder head. Once the guides are installed the inner bore is usually reamed to an exact size to produce, in the case of the exhaust valve, a clearance of around 0.0015 to 0.003” between the valve stem and the guide. This tight fit is necessary to correctly position the valve on its seat and because excessive clearance here can result in hot gasses passing through the space and burning oil in the engine making things all black and yucky.

Now, although I have never stuck my finger into the exhaust gas stream to measure it, I have it on good authority that the gasses exiting the combustion chamber and shooting up the exhaust port have a temperature of the order 1300 – 1500 degrees F. and, under full power, can go as high as 1800 degrees.

If the valve guides are cast iron, the same material as the head, the interference fit of the guide in the head remains constant as the engine heats up or cools down. Bronze, according to my Machinist’s Handbook has a linear expansion per unit length (coefficient of expansion) of 0.00001 per degree F. whereas for cast iron that expansion rate is 0.0000065. In little words this means that, when heated, bronze expands 1.5 times faster  than cast iron when heated and it is these different coefficients of expansion which create problems for our bronze valve guides.

If we presume that a particular exhaust valve guide has an outside diameter of 0.75 inches and it is heated from 20 degrees F to 1500 degrees F its outside diameter will increase by 0.011”. Of course the hole in the head will also expand as a result of this temperature increase but, the cast iron has a lower rate of expansion and is cooled by the engine coolant. If the temperature of the cast iron in that area of the head rises to say 500 degrees the hole will only increase in diameter by about 0.002”. The result of all this is that the one to two thousandths of an inch of interference fit of our guides becomes nine thousandths of and inch of interference when things get hot!!
The question arises then as to where does all this expanded bronze material go? Those familiar with the properties of cast iron will be well aware that it is not very elastic so it is unlikely, even give the huge forces involved, that the hole will temporarily stretch to accommodate the expanded guide therefore the only realistic conclusion is that the head constrains that expansion of the guide and effectively compresses it some 0.009”. One can only imagine the forces involved and, can occasionally see evidence of this where cylinder heads are cracked radially around the valve guide holes when bronze guides have been used!!
Amazingly, for the bronze guides to continue to function normally, the bronze must be sufficiently elastic to actually return to its original dimensions as the engine cools and, of course, bronze is another material not given to stretching, or in this case being compressed very much!!
Under normal engine operating temperatures this is actually what happens but, if the exhaust gas temperature become further elevated, things really go pear shaped, literally.
Most fuel systems are set up to provide a slightly rich mixture at full throttle. Aircraft always use a very rich mixture at takeoff power. The reason for this is that the excess fuel will actually cool the induction charge and produce more power than would be the case with a perfect mixture setting. Of course this over rich mixture also serves keep the cylinder head temperatures down a little and prevent detonation. However, as anyone who flies a piston engined aircraft will tell you cylinder head temperatures rise very quickly if you try to get power from an engine when the mixture is set lean.
When this over temperature condition occurs in our cast iron headed car engine the expansion of the bronze reaches a point where the “elastic limit” of the bronze is exceeded.
What the term “elastic limit”  actually means is that when a material is deformed beyond its elastic limit the material no longer returns to its original shape when the deforming forces are removed.
Now, going back to our valve guide, when such overheating occurs  the guide cannot expand because it is constrained by the cast iron of the head and, as a result, the material of the guide has nowhere to go so is actually radially crushed by  its own expansion forces.

You may want to read the previous sentence again.

Of course, with the small clearance between the exhaust valve and its guide, any permanent inward deformation (radial crushing) of the valve guide is, when the guide cools down, going to eliminate this clearance and cause the guide to contract sufficiently to eliminate any clearance between it and the valve stem. Put another way; the valve seizes in the guide.
I have only seen this situation occur in a handful of cases but, as in the case of our learned friend, when it does the results will be nothing short of catastrophic.
In addition to the decrease of the size of hole through the guide where the valve stem is located the outside diameter of the guide is also going to permanently decrease which will result in the guide becoming loose in the head in the areas where it is enclosed by the head material.

Prior to my figuring this problem out I had frequently noticed, when removing worn bronze valve guides from cast iron heads, that there was a distinct step right where the guide protruded into the port and I it took me a few years to put two and two together on that one.

This is what the result looks like.

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Of particular interest to performance car owners will be the fact that this problem is more likely to occur in multi-carburettored engines because, in this type of engine, it is relatively common for one carburetor to be delivering a leaner mixture at high throttle without the overall driveability being adversely affected and that leaner mixture will result in substantially higher exhaust port temperatures.
So should one use bronze valve guides? Absolutely, but only if the cylinder head is made of aluminium because, it just so happens, that the coefficient of expansion of aluminium is very similar to that of bronze. If the bronze guides are installed correctly in an aluminium head, they should not suffer from this distortion problem.
If you are rebuilding a cast iron head stick with cast iron valve guides because you never know when a blocked jet, failing fuel pump or an intake manifold gasket leak is going to provide the leaner mixture conditions which will lead to disaster.

Comments (22)

  1. Bronze valve guides trump cast iron. your valve stuck because the machine shop did a piss poor instalation of the valve guides. i have rebuilt two motorcycle engines bot had bronze. bronze lubricates and wears better. motorcycles need the due to red lining at 9000 rpm.

    nobody

  2. Michael,

    I agree with the conclusion that “in cast iron heads, run a cast guide”.
    We have been reworking cast iron heads since 1981 and we have NEVER had a cast iron head with a cast iron guide stick. Period.

    When bronze guides are installed in a cast head, cross your fingers. The usuall clearances of .0015 intake and .002 to .0022 exhaust are typically fine. However, if the motor is overheated or if the motor is restricted to a small carb and cast iron exhaust you are asking for trouble. We have, over the years, had properly clearanced bronze guides stick in these restricted applications.
    Also, never run a valve seal on the exhaust with a bronze guide in cast or aluminum heads.

    Randy B.

  3. You can run manganese bronze guides at .0013 intake and .0025 exh all day long. Been there and do that every day. You can run bronze liners at .0008 int. and .002 exh. but they won’t take the exhaust heat as long as bronze. The problem is not all machine shop have the proper equipment to install and clearance guides. It requires Head Shops that can machine a valve seat to .0005 run-out or less, Hones, bore gauges and micrometers capable of accurately measuring bores and valves to.0001 along with a HIGHLY skilled machinist who gives a rat ass. Good luck finding people like that. I’ve been in this trade for 30 years and trust me there are very few machinist who can hold the tolerances on anything day after day.

  4. After a lot of toing and froing he ended up paying to have the engine rebuild completed again, and to cover all my research time and court costs. Furthermore he turned out to be a good and happy customer thereafter.

  5. So, having established that we need more analysis of the bronze/iron interface, what was the result of the lawsuit, since you didn’t supply the component parts?

  6. I think your numbers on the degree of expansion are possibly flawed. There will be a teperature gradient through the wall of the guide, with the inside obviously hotter, getting up towards the valve stem temperture but will be less than the valve due to the lubricating oil film. The outside of the guide, in the cast iron head will be close to the teperature of the cast iron. The net result will be that the guide will not expand as much as your sums predict. The actaul strains and stresses seen would need a complex mathematicl modelling on a powerful computer to prdict and will have been done by many engine design teams. I wonder if there is any published papers that would give us more info? I don’t mean to imply that you are wrong in your conclusion but your analysis may be over simplistic. The cricality to the fits and tolerancies of guides,valves and their actual composition will ll play some part.

  7. Michael,
    The valves are also cooled when they contact the seats.
    Once the stems start to stick in the guides that cooling effect is lost thus and raising the temp at the head of the valve. Probably the reason for the “bulge” in your drawing.

  8. FWIW, the same problem is well-known on TR2-4 engines with bronze guides installed. The exhaust guides in particular must be reamed larger after installation than the factory specified clearance. Fortunately, the TR motor is non-interference meaning a stuck valve just causes a loss in power.

    Reaming them larger of course reduces the life, so I’m inclined to agree that bronze guides are a waste of money. The larger clearance also allows more oil to be sucked past the intake guides.

  9. I find all the engineering and small details like this that go into each tiny part of a car fascinating!

    I wonder if the bronze guides would work better with an “expansion channel” cut in around the outside?

    I know that lean fuel mixes have more emissions problems, despite saving gas — I always figured it was simply due to having unused oxygen in the hot, compressed gas that can then react with nitrogen, but if it’s hotter too, then that would explain even more! I’m a little confused as to why that happens (to my non-car-specialist thinking, more fuel = more burn = hotter). I can see how fuel would cool the cylinder on the injection phase (the fuel would start cold from the tank and sap heat from the iron, and also the expansion from the spray would cause cooling), but fail to see how that would lead to a net cooling after that fuel gets burned…

  10. Michael,
    It is not uncommon in cast iron BMC heads to have to give extra clearance to #s 2&3 exhaust valve stems, because they are immediately adjacent to each other and do not shed heat as quickly as the others. I have only experienced this on race engines where we typically run at lean best power.
    I use only Manganese Bronze which is very hard and can only be clearanced by honing. Not a practice that most repair shops have access to.

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